Little Grey Men & Their Little Grey Saucers–Part 1: Who is Bob Lazar? Did He Really Work for Area 51?


Flying Saucer model outside of a Colorado RV park attests to the pervasiveness of UFOs in our culture and society. (Photo: Pinterest/Flying Saucers. Photographer Uknown.) 

My goal in sharing information in Little Grey Men & Their Little Grey Saucers is not to take a side, but to remain as neutral as I feel is fair; and share information that I believe to be beneficial for others to know. This is a subjective launching point, granted. So for the record: I am more of a believer than I am a skeptic. I am skeptical, always, of bullshit and other forms of propagandizing and deception. I am not so narrow-minded, however, to see only within the scientific boundaries, the religious boundaries, or any other “boundaries”. If I read something from either side that is sound based on my training, my research over the years, even my gut and intuition—from my judgement point—I will share it. I am not a fan of Government or bureaucracy or any activity, doctrine, dogma that attempts to control human beings (or “the masses); and I am not a believer in absolutes. I hope you enjoy the topics as we go through them in 2017.

Love to hear from you:

It is okay to want to believe.


Who is Bob Lazar?

I start with Bob Lazar, because he is an important turning point in the way we viewed hidden secrets, conspiracy theories, Area 51, Roswell, NM (1947 crash), etc.

‘Robert Scott “Bob” Lazar (born January 26, 1959) claims to have worked on reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology at a site called S4, in the Emigrant Valley and Old Kelley Mine area near the Area 51 test facility. Universities from which he claimed to hold degrees show no record of him.

Lazar claims to hold degrees from the California Institute of Technology and Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In 1993, the Los Angeles Times looked into his background and could not find any records of Lazar ever having attended either institution nor has he produced his degrees or a copy of his Master’s thesis. UFOlogist Stanton Friedman was able to substantially verify that Lazar took electronics courses in the late 1970s at Pierce Junior College in Los Angeles. His occupation was listed as a self-employed document photo processor.

Lazar worked for a time at the Los Alamos National Laboratory facility. He claimed to have worked “in the Meson Physics facility” and to have been “involved with experiments using the 1/2 mile long Linear Particle Accelerator.” Although Lazar claimed or strongly implied that he was an employee of Los Alamos, Stanton Friedman claims that he actually worked for Kirk Meyer, an outside contractor. A former acquaintance from his Los Alamos days claims that Lazar was fired for using government equipment to work on his cars.’

But, Did Bob Lazar Work for Area 51?


Aerial photograph of Groom Lake, background, and Papoose Lake, foreground, located in Southern Nevada, USA. These areas are said to be the locations for the Area 51 (Groom Lake) and S4 (Papoose Lake) scientific-government research-military testing facilities…both have become infamous as locations in which occur reengineering activities involving extraterrestrial spacecraft; and in which are kept the bodies of extraterrestials dating back to the Roswell, NM UFO crash in 1947.

Is he credible at all? Many think the answer to that question is No…

‘Bob Lazar claimed to have worked on recovered extraterrestrial space craft for the United States government. Has been caught in numerous lies about his education — claimed to have degrees in Electronic Engineering and Physics — no records found. Lazar has also lied about his time line and can’t remember what years he graduated from what school. Like you would not remember when you graduated from M.I.T.? Much of his background has been shown to be false. Was he convicted of pandering in Nevada. A model made by Testors (Model S-4) of the craft Lazar claimed to work on was made and sold.

However, George Knapp, a very well-respected researcher from Las Vegas, has doubts about the doubts on Lazar. He says that Lazar has been remarkably consistent in his story and not deviated a bit from what he says happened at Area 51. He also has not tried to capitalize on his fame. The pandering charge? A convenience for the government to discredit him, something that has been done to others as well, including Wendelle Stevens.

Don Ecker corroborates this story and also says the Dr. Teller, father of the atomic bomb, knew Lazar and was responsible for getting him his job. During an interview with Teller there was a break when he was asked, “If we asked you about Lazar, what would you say?” He said he would not answer the question. the camera was still running and this was caught on tape, which Ecker has seen. If Teller had not known Lazar, he would have said, “Who is Bob Lazar?”

Lazar says he has been ‘disappeared’ by the government, which removed all his school records, yet Lazar can’t resolve the contradictions in his own story. How could he have been going to MIT at the same time he attended a Junior College? But what about his employment at Area 51? Stories vary that he either worked for a contractor or directly for the government itself.

But look at this:


Bob Lazar’s W2 form seems to confirm his story that he did indeed work for the government in 1989…


Let’s break it down, shall we? (See link at the end of this post to learn more about “Majestic” and “S4” and the rest of Bob Lazarus’ story.)

Is it real or is it Memorex?

We don’t know. The street address is real (and ironic: James Lovell commanded the ill-fated Apollo 13 mission.) It is a real address in Las Vegas, though the zip code is now different–not unusual for an expanding city. We found the house on Google earth. The amount of wages is very small. Even at 1989 wages this could not possibly be for more than a couple of weeks.

A Japanese researcher says that the social security number, here redacted, belonged to a New York woman, but at this stage we can’t verify that one way or another. Of course, the entire document could be 100% fake. There’s nothing on the document that ‘proves” Lazar worked at Area 51. Further, there is no such thing as the ‘United States Department of Naval Intelligence.’ Navy departments are usually called ‘commands.’ Anyone could have typed up one of these on an easily available form. Note: Nevada does not have a state income tax.


Lazar’s employee ID card.

One theory is that Lazar was, indeed, hired as a technician–not a scientist–at the Area 51 facility, worked for a couple of weeks, and was fired because he could not obtain a security clearance. That begs the question of ANY association of flying saucers. In the Top Secret security world, it seems unlikely he would have been allowed exposure to something so secret without a Top Secret Clearance in place, which typically takes many months to obtain. It seems more likely this experience provided the skeleton on which he could knit his bizarre story.

Yet George Knapp, once again, repudiates claims that Lazar lied about his experiences. He says Lazar PASSED two polygraph exams, that he is the one that paid for them, and that reports that Lazar failed three or six exams are simply false.

The best thing Lazar could do is come clean on why he clearly lied about his education. It’s not unheard of for people to do this, but it casts a killer light on his story. Nobody cares about a pandering charge, but MIT? C’mon, Bob. Come clean. Nevertheless, the issues are intriguing, and for that Lazar earns a single Gray box from Schuyler.’

(Based on an article by Royce Myers, III. Updates and expansion by Schuyler.)

For Further Reading:


An artist’s rendition of Lazar’s “S4 UFO” based on extraterrestrial technology. The machine supposedly uses a propulsion systems based on phased gravity, waveguides, and a very unique element, called “Element 115*” (not found on planet Earth). Radioactive energy is produced when 115 is barraged with photons producing another unique element “116”, which begins to decay immediately and produce antimatter, which then reacts with a gaseous matter stored in the central waveguide, to produce propulsion energy.

*Element 115 is also known as Ununpentium


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